i thought long and hard about posting this but the mis-information on this site finally persuaded me, i already accept many may not accept what i say on face value and get their appologist pens ready for making sure no pro-witness propaganda slips through the net on this site but here goes....... i've been on this forum for a few months my first post was about how i was thinking of returning to jw's and at my sisters recommendation to look at this site for both sides of the story before taking that step.. i faded from jw's 10/11 years ago now i left my hubby at the time divorced him to going on to have more relationships and kids, i was definately given the impression after asking on this site and with what i read that if i tried to return i might face df or at least a jc but definately a couple of elders questioning me over what i've been upto these last few years - none of these have happened.
i talked with an old jw friend (yes i do have then and she never shunned me quite happily accepted an offer of coffee from me and my asking for a chat) i told her i was interested in going back and was very frank about what i done in the last 10 years but not sure how returning was done now, she quite happily said she go ask for me to find out.. result!
she came back this week and said "all i had to do was goto meetings again" and an offer of a study was there for me if i wanted it to explore the open doubts that i had expressed i now had.. not quite the fire and brimstone welcome this site led me to believe would happen.. i will keep you posted with further updates if i feel the need to put them in future.. .
Tell me one thing. Do you intend to sanctify Jesus as Jehovah in your heart?
Research hint:
Philippians 2:10,11 quoting Isaiah 45:23 "Jesus Christ is Jehovah to the glory...."
1 Peter 3:15 based on Isaiah 8:13 SHOULD be "But sanctify the Christ as Jehovah in your hearts." "
http://www.macgregorministries.org/jehovahs_witnesses/jws_real_jesus.html
women - do you love being around men?
i only ask because i realise that for over 20 years i just love being around women.
it's not just for sexual reasons either, though that's important sometimes, i just really like being around women.
Women - do you love being around men? I only ask because I realise that for over 20 years I just love being around women. It's not just for sexual reasons either, though that's important sometimes, I just really like being around women. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy men's company too, especially when it comes to football, but OMG, I think I'd just die if there were no women in the world (glad I'm not Adam!).
My question is, do you feel the same way about men?
Your kids come first. The Witlesses are not like just any religion. There are worse ones, of course, but not many. The problem is that the pedos in JWland know that the official rules protect them. In JWland the abused child needs two witnesses to the assault or there is no case for the elders to hear. Simple, pedos in JWland know and use this as cover over an over. Do not let your kids be without you at the meetings, studies etc or alone with another witness. That's right, not even the women. Why? The women will not blink at letting your kids go preach or study alone with a male witness. I suppose you can make a rule that your kids must never be alone with the male witlesses.
On the other hand, as the head of the family, you could head up a study of the Creation Book using... http://www.dimaggio.org/Heretic/critical.htm as a guide.
Good luck!
i have been coming here for some months y i must admit that i am still in.
but i have serious doubts, i mean, i am 99.9% convinced, the jws are not the true religion, but i still live with my family, and they are jws, and i love them.
my parents have a long time been jws, and it is very hard for me to tell them the truth.
Hi & welcome.
You have recieved lots of good advice so far. I would add that with some people it is possible to assist their exit. This proved a real winner for me: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/17501/1.ashx The pictures are no longer there, but you have the references to look them up in your Kingdumb Hall library and your local public library.
... though of course your family may subject you to eternal shunning (until the next Faithless Slavebugger flip flop on the shunning issue), so it is best to ask them for help in understanding things like the fake chimp or the quotations they changed in the same book. Here is the link: http://www.dimaggio.org/Heretic/critical.htm If you go down this road always frame your knowledge as requests for help in understanding things that you "just don't fully understand". Maybe you will help them. At some point you may be hauled before the elders who will ask if you believe the Faithless Slavebugger is God's channel bla bla bla ...... just say yes.
Best of luck!
i thought long and hard about posting this but the mis-information on this site finally persuaded me, i already accept many may not accept what i say on face value and get their appologist pens ready for making sure no pro-witness propaganda slips through the net on this site but here goes....... i've been on this forum for a few months my first post was about how i was thinking of returning to jw's and at my sisters recommendation to look at this site for both sides of the story before taking that step.. i faded from jw's 10/11 years ago now i left my hubby at the time divorced him to going on to have more relationships and kids, i was definately given the impression after asking on this site and with what i read that if i tried to return i might face df or at least a jc but definately a couple of elders questioning me over what i've been upto these last few years - none of these have happened.
i talked with an old jw friend (yes i do have then and she never shunned me quite happily accepted an offer of coffee from me and my asking for a chat) i told her i was interested in going back and was very frank about what i done in the last 10 years but not sure how returning was done now, she quite happily said she go ask for me to find out.. result!
she came back this week and said "all i had to do was goto meetings again" and an offer of a study was there for me if i wanted it to explore the open doubts that i had expressed i now had.. not quite the fire and brimstone welcome this site led me to believe would happen.. i will keep you posted with further updates if i feel the need to put them in future.. .
Well if you want to be told what to think then you're going to the right place, it's your life to throw away.
But will you make sure your kids know both sides of the story? Will you make your kids study, say, Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz, as well as the Society's publications? And if ever your kids are faced with a medical crisis that requires YOU to make a life saving decision involving blood, will it be just your life that faces the consequences of this decision? How will you feel if your child dies because of a decision you made based on the Society's teaching? How will you feel if, a week after your child has been sacrificed to the alter of the old men in Brooklyn, the WT magazine reverses it's teaching on blood? Preposterous scenario? Read up on organ transplants.
Off you go then, but be sure to tell the elders that you post and talk to apostates on the internet. Or do you intend to live a double life already?
i thought i have relatively had everything figured out, like life, death, god does he exist or does he not.
is the bible make believe?.
can we really be sure that it is inspired, after all we were not around to see the process being done.
IMO there are no absolute answers to spiritual questions. There are opinions, there are faiths based on old and new stories, there are endless philosophical ideas on the subject. But there are no answers. I just accept that now and stop wasting my short life worrying that I might be "lost" somehow.
But it is a great place to be! Sure, I no longer have the crutch of faith in the monster Jehooby, or any other monster for that matter. But it was a false crutch anyhow. And yet to know that makes a huge difference! You and I are free to think! Free to search for answers... if you think that will do any good... but I don't think there are any "answers" at all.
So what's to do? Make up your own mind! Look for love, health as best you can, better society, help others etc etc etc ....... life's a great big lottery and every day you wake up with a minimum of health you're a winner.
My "faith", if it can be called such, is now reduced to this: the chances of me existing, say a hundred or a thousand years ago were so small as to be effectively zero, and yet here I am. The chances of me continuing to exist after I die are probably the same........ make your own conclusions.......
Try to be happy wherever your search takes you!
Ben
i just got back from seeing the new movie release "expelled" which is a documentary exposing the militant culture of supression regarding intelligent design in the scientific community.
in a "million years", i never would have imagined that ben stein could get the author of "the god delusion", richard dawkins to speak favorably about i.d.
(intellignet design).
Book of Ben, Ch 2, vs 110-120
And so the grandsons of god, the Nephalim, decided thereupon to cleanse their house of the gift of leprosy, so kindly created by grandpa to test them in their doubt, by taking a large chicken, the largest they couldst find of the broiler variety Tyrannosaurus Rex, yea, to cleanse their house. But lo! No oven large enough in the land was to be found! And grandpa, with his fury in his nose, didst look down upon the poultry paltry sacrifice and didst say, “only 20,000 packets of Paxo? I accurse this vestigial sacrifice! Away with his teeth!”
And so the very manhood of the T-Rex was absorbed back into his tooth buds and his machismo was undermined when he laid a very unmacho egg which gave rise to a pitiful progeny fit only for use in a Macchicken burger. And so grandpa laid low the pride of both the Nephalim and the great fire-breathing beast.
And so it was that man was forced to eat the meat of slaves, for it was said, the slave must plucketh the chicken, and by thus ingesting, man acquired, by the scriptural process of acquired characteristics, the chicken and the goosy bumps. And grandpa didst say, “I am putting my goosy bumps upon man as a sign that he shall not forget the day when his Lord’s fury was in his nose at the Paxo-less offering.”
Amen.
I hope you come back and read this. Listen, I am no friend of the Witchtower. But you are making the right decision for the wrong reasons! If you don't do your research, but just leave the Witch based on a feeling, then doubts will haunt you. You say bring it on, which shows a part of you might still believe the Big A line. Those haunting doubts might lead you back into the Kingdumb Hell in some future time. Do your research and you will KNOW why it is a cult, and then they will never have any hold on you again...... and you will be equipped to help others see the truth about them.
Ciao
this is really torture sometimes.... he made a run for it from this site, went out in service for 2 days and is back into full-fledge more jw.... that totally sucks... ackkk... i wouldn't care so much if he wanted to be a jw, it's just he's always pressuring me to be it also and live my everyday life the way that he wants to me to live it.
i feel like i'm being totally controlled... .
this is not going to happen like this forever.
This worked for me, crazy as it might sound.
Say to him one day when you're not arguing, "You know, I just can't accept the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses have to believe that chimpanzees don't exist."
Whhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/17501/1.ashx
Have fun.
so jehovah and satan are in vegas and decide to place "a bet" that loyal servant job would still be faithful if he lost his money, family, wife's respect and health....and yes, he still praises jehovah!
is this logical?
if god arranged for your family to be killed and destroyed your health and finances would you say:"thank you sir can i have another!
This book has proved most beneficial to Christians through the ages. It shows Yahweh to be a sadistic bastard, and, following his example, Christains for a thousand years perfected the art of being sadistic bastards, introducing the Inquisitions and the Acts of Faith etc.
Like father like sons I guess.
... and Job! What a shallow tosser. Oh! All my children dead? Never mind, had them replaced, so that's ok. (Like possessions? Sheep come to mind.)
